This idea is the pinnacle of risk aversion. It is a means to a simple end: a nigh impenetrable city on a hill from which to launch sorties against smaller entities in order to farm easy kills.

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The CFC will have their city in deklein, PL in the drone regions, N3 somewhere in the east. The unused space will empty out and some fledgling alliances may even stake a claim. But the moment they have anything scarcely worthwhile, someone will show up on the NPC doorstep looking for "content," while their own bears are safe as houses. Everyone gets their own personal providence to farm. How quaint. This isn't "conflict," this is easy mode farm for the blob.

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No. To fix it You need to slice the coalitions/aliances - not make them more powerfull in 1 place. Small alliances will not attack hundreds that are bunkered in one place.

They need to nerf null income so no srp. No ability to create crazy number of ppl in one alliance/coalition.

Over 300 corps in goonswarm alone - this is normal for You? Do You know how much content there would be if 300 corps would fight each other?

Hero entered null. Now being farmed alongside provi by N3PL. Truth is, anyone can enter null, even now. Most people just don't like being farm chattel.

So the same three choices will be present after your changs:
(1) I can stay in npc 0.0/lowsec/hisec and raid 0.0 to farm afk ishtars
(2) I can try and strike out on my own to be farmed for ~content~ by N3PL/CFC
(3) or I can get on the old SA account and become an "overman" alongside Retar thereby "winning" eve.

That's totally not stagnation.

Noticed that did you?

No one is suggesting waiting till you're 100%, nothing would ever be done.

But the point here is that the same kind of thinking that created Dominion is being displayed here. People are SURE that "occupancy SOV" and the rest is the answer just like they were with Dominion, but then as now, there are gaping logical holes here.

When Dominion happened, people were so tired of pos shooting that they said "just change it, ANYTHING has to be better than this". Result? The problems we have today, which are WORSE than pre-Dominon SOV.

This agreement (if implemented in game) could end up making things WORSE. It could turn the Blue Donut into a Purple Croissant, then we're screwed because those things are French (lol) . That's all I'm saying.

What is called for is new thinking. "Occupancy SOV" and "npc constellations in every region" isn't new thinking, it's a rehash of pre-Dominion ideas.

This suggestion serves one purpose: to allow the current power holders to condense their large empires into small, unpenetrable fortresses (cynojam, lot of friendlies in fleet 1-2 jumps away) where they can rat in complete safety, regions away from anyone who could theoretically harm them.

In the meantime both their own PvP-ers and current pirates are pacified by offering them regions full of terrible players who are easy to farm (these are dubbed as "new alliances").

The result: CFC, N3 and PL are ratting in Nyxes in 3 far corners of the universe without any risk of losing them. No more SRP to pay as fleets barely have losses (see PL losses against HERO/Provi), no capital subsidies as there is no need for capital fleet and greatly decreased Sov costs. So alliance leaders could keep the whole alliance income to themselves without the members giving a damn.

Why make things worse when you could examine the thinking that lead to 'now' and just not do that again?

That's what I'm always saying in these discussions, it doesn't have to lead to a crappy outcome, but you can't expect to keep thinking the same way (ie "anything has to be better than this") and get a different result. I was around pre-Dominion and it'd like Deja Vu all over again.

I-¦m pretty sure there is a name for games where two or more people get awarded first place. Sometimes even everybody gets a trophy.
You didn-¦t win you just made sure you will not loose by not competing against each other.

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I'm call this a "BSG" moment.

What exactly is the big rush? EVe has survived much worse than anything currently going on now. Doing something just to be doing something is never the answer when you can spend an extra 15 seconds and get it right.

In my real life experience, when someone has said to me "it can't possibly get any worse than this" it got worse, and in a hurry.

All these changes would do is let the already huge alliances take control of even more of 0.0. The only way I could support this is if it was simultaneous with a significant nerf to caps/supercaps.

As I said, I am very OK with the proposed changes, but we need a nerf to caps/supers to go along with it.

No you don't. If you actually wanted them nerfed, you wouldn't have so many ready to go.

If you actually wanted to give up space, you would...give up systems...A game mechanic change isn't needed for that.

ITT: Established sov alliances want dense, fortified space cities where they and their renters can rat in safety, away from the scary fozzie-ceptor gangs. Also, sprinkling about npc stations literally everywhere to counter any power projection nerf would be greeaaaat.

Oh, and much faux-concern over the hypothetical small, independent sov entity, with little actual change to the existing coalition meta.

This would be more compelling if your supercapital fleet wasn't sitting in drydock because your organization is far too risk averse to willingly commit it to a potentially even fight against N3/PL.....